Here is the question I received:
Just wanted to say thanks for such a great blog. I have learned so much from reading it!
A question I had for you..
I just picked up a great black side by side refrigerator to scrap. It is a newer model. Can't be over 10 years old. It doesn't work.The back of it appears to be stainless. Just wondering what you do when you get a refrigerator. I cant find much info online about them. I know there is freon in there, but what is safe to take out, strip, etc.
Thanks again!
Hello! and thanks for the great question! I'm glad you like by blog, and I hope you keep reading! With that being said, here is the deal with refrigerators:
The problem with refrigerators is the freon. Some people have the illusion that it is like breathing mustard gas, which couldn't be farther from the truth! Freon is not that bad for people to breath. Yes, it isn't good to breath, but it isn't any worse than second hand smoke; so don't worry about getting hurt if you break the freon lines. The real concern with freon is its detrimental effect on the ozone when released.
IF you are HVAC certified, and you have the necessary equipment, only then can you legally pull the freon out of any scrap, including AC units.
Now the question most important question you can ask yourself is "Do I want to unsafely let freon out into the atmosphere?"
If you do, and get caught by the EPA, then you will have to pay a serious fine; Over $25000. (I haven't heard of somebody getting into trouble for this while scrapping... yet.)
The freon lines are the copper lines in the bottom and back of the refrigerator. If you cut one of these lines with a bolt cutter, freon will come pouring out of there, along with some of the lube/oil from the compressor. If you cut the lines, you will want to have the fridge in a place where you can let that oil pour out if it decides to. Then harvest the copper lines... The condenser coil is usually of something other than copper, but check that for copper too.
Inside of the compressor (the hollow black ball) is a motor with some copper windings, and a whole lot of oil. If you have the will power, take an angle grinder, sawzall, ect, and cut that sucker open along the welding joint. Sell the motor as is, or cut out the copper for scrap.
If there is any non-magnetic stainless on the refrigerator, PULL THAT OFF!
I have found on occasion the inside of the refrigerator (the rails and shelves) to be aluminum. PULL THOSE OUT!
Any wire you can manage to find should get cut off too.
The magnet test is invaluable. Always use your magnet! "The magnet will become your weapon, and with it you will sort ferrous and non-ferrous metals."
but what if you don't want to let the freon out...?
My scrap yard, and possibly yours too, will take all refrigerators with the freon still in them. In that case, take anything valuable that you possibly can off the refrigerator without breaking the freon lines. This just makes for a cleaner work space, a cleaner environment, and cleaner conscious.
If your scrap yard will NOT take refrigerators with freon, you will need to make a decision. You can cut the copper tubing lines, and possibly get a fine (I've never seen anybody get a fine, however.), or you can call around to closer scrap yards... In my experience, they will usually buy it.
The final option, is to see if it works and sell it as a used fridge! Plug it in and see if anything is wrong. If not, you can always try to sell it on craig's list. In almost all of my experiences, however, there is something seriously wrong, and its only value is scrap.
Remember, that if you can sell it along with the mixed metal, to fill the inside with metal too. That way the refrigerator won't take up too much volume.
Thanks for the question and Good Luck Scrapping! If you or anybody else has any questions, and you think I may be of assistance, please ask!
IF you are HVAC certified, and you have the necessary equipment, only then can you legally pull the freon out of any scrap, including AC units.
Now the question most important question you can ask yourself is "Do I want to unsafely let freon out into the atmosphere?"
If you do, and get caught by the EPA, then you will have to pay a serious fine; Over $25000. (I haven't heard of somebody getting into trouble for this while scrapping... yet.)
The freon lines are the copper lines in the bottom and back of the refrigerator. If you cut one of these lines with a bolt cutter, freon will come pouring out of there, along with some of the lube/oil from the compressor. If you cut the lines, you will want to have the fridge in a place where you can let that oil pour out if it decides to. Then harvest the copper lines... The condenser coil is usually of something other than copper, but check that for copper too.
Inside of the compressor (the hollow black ball) is a motor with some copper windings, and a whole lot of oil. If you have the will power, take an angle grinder, sawzall, ect, and cut that sucker open along the welding joint. Sell the motor as is, or cut out the copper for scrap.
If there is any non-magnetic stainless on the refrigerator, PULL THAT OFF!
I have found on occasion the inside of the refrigerator (the rails and shelves) to be aluminum. PULL THOSE OUT!
Any wire you can manage to find should get cut off too.
The magnet test is invaluable. Always use your magnet! "The magnet will become your weapon, and with it you will sort ferrous and non-ferrous metals."
but what if you don't want to let the freon out...?
My scrap yard, and possibly yours too, will take all refrigerators with the freon still in them. In that case, take anything valuable that you possibly can off the refrigerator without breaking the freon lines. This just makes for a cleaner work space, a cleaner environment, and cleaner conscious.
If your scrap yard will NOT take refrigerators with freon, you will need to make a decision. You can cut the copper tubing lines, and possibly get a fine (I've never seen anybody get a fine, however.), or you can call around to closer scrap yards... In my experience, they will usually buy it.
The final option, is to see if it works and sell it as a used fridge! Plug it in and see if anything is wrong. If not, you can always try to sell it on craig's list. In almost all of my experiences, however, there is something seriously wrong, and its only value is scrap.
Remember, that if you can sell it along with the mixed metal, to fill the inside with metal too. That way the refrigerator won't take up too much volume.
Thanks for the question and Good Luck Scrapping! If you or anybody else has any questions, and you think I may be of assistance, please ask!
My brother found a nice side by side stainless on Craigslist. Went and picked it up, then called to see if it was still under warranty. It was. So he got a new compressor put in.
ReplyDeleteSomething to think about for the future. They sure don't build them like they used to, I am coming across quite a few newer appliances.
husband is certified. he did it for his job someone had to be certified so he was the lucky one. Do you have any recomendations on where to get the tools?
ReplyDeleteCorrect me if I am wrong but when I was younger there was a guy scraping refrigerators that would rip apart the freezer box because there was a lining of aluminum in it.
ReplyDelete@ John King definitely possible, as appliances have slowly become cheaper and cheaper over the years. I still have the refrigerator my parents bought in 1967 in my basement, works fine. The refrigerator I bought 10 years ago for my kitchen broke a little over a year ago. That being said, it wouldn't make much sense to make the lining aluminum because it is a horrible insulator. Usually everything is just steel. Industrial grade refrigerators and freezers are usually are aluminum or stainless. It doesn't hurt to check everything!
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